Mass shooting in Vegas

StretchASU said:
We are on the same page with a lot of this. A few of my buddies and I have said from the beginning, until we see footage of the guy taking a bunch of suitcases up to his room at once or over the 3 days he had supposedly been there, or bellhops delivering them to his room, I won't really be convinced of any narrative we are told. Vegas hotels and casinos are some of the most highly monitored public areas in existence.


By the time they found him most of the street and venue had been cleared and locked down. If he was set up, who supposedly fired through the door at SWAT and hit that security guard that supposedly took one to the leg? People were really quick to "leak" photos of the big scary assault rifles but no photos of these supposed cameras he had set up to monitor it all.

Until you show me the 4473's for guns he had purchased and video footage of him or bellhops dragging bags to his room, I'm going to be pretty skeptical of any narrative we are told. This is just the tip of the list of variables in this one.
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I wondered about that the second I saw the news about the security guard getting hit. I'm sorry, but I just don't buy that a SWAT team would even allow a hotel security guard on the same floor during a door breach. The LAST thing they need is Barney Fife firing his one and only round off messing up the whole operation.

The more I read about this the more my tin foil hat senses are tingling.
 
It was hr+ before swat was on the floor. I bet security guy was there a long time before checking on the smoke detectors that were alarming in the room.
It's a good thing they had the alarms and security guy get shot. If not they'd still be clearing that building today.


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One issue I have with the Facebook forensics as mentioned by stretch above,

Lighting flashes are inaccurately represented by video, the shutter speed of the cell phone video, and compression of the file for upload make it nearly useless to me as a conversation point.

Secondly the issue isn’t semi-full auto and slide fire stocks.

You can bump fire a semi auto with any regular semi auto anything from the shoulder/hip whatever. It takes very little practice to get the feel correct bouncing the butt off your shoulder, using the recoil to reset the trigger. Slide fire stock or not, it can still be bump fired, and still is one round for every trigger pull.

Typically the rpm of a semi auto is higher than a full auto couterpart due to differences in bcg mass and buffer/spring.

I’d like to see the hotel cctv and shooter footage released to confirm the narrative, or confirm a conspiracy. Either way it happened, and I feel like if not released could me way more volatile if withheld, only to have a hacker group find and release such footage/info later.
 
benXJ said:
Dude took the guns and ammo up in bags, just like all the other bags that every other patron has. No alarms would be raised. Easy to conceal all of it, by anyone.

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This. It seems quite easy to get this stuff into a room. It's not like they're checking bags as you walk in. He had a few days, as well, to carry stuff up multiple times. I agree though, there should be video footage of what he brought in. That takes some time to go through, though.
 
Danger_Ranger said:
I wonder why nobody announced over the speakers that somebody was shooting at them and to run like hell.
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I thought this as well. Quite a cowardly act, to just GTFO leaving the audience to stand there wondering WTF.
 
Danger_Ranger said:
I wonder why nobody announced over the speakers that somebody was shooting at them and to run like hell.
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I generally try not to judge people in those scenarios. I liken it to what my concealed carry instructor stressed over and over and over in class...you can talk a big game, you can practice until the cows come home, but until you're in that situation, you have no idea if you'll crawl up into the fetal position and cry like a baby, or step up to the plate.
 
UTfball68 said:
I generally try not to judge people in those scenarios. I liken it to what my concealed carry instructor stressed over and over and over in class...you can talk a big game, you can practice until the cows come home, but until you're in that situation, you have no idea if you'll crawl up into the fetal position and cry like a baby, or step up to the plate.
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I just keep imagining:

 
UTfball68 said:
I generally try not to judge people in those scenarios. I liken it to what my concealed carry instructor stressed over and over and over in class...you can talk a big game, you can practice until the cows come home, but until you're in that situation, you have no idea if you'll crawl up into the fetal position and cry like a baby, or step up to the plate.
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This is true. But you would think that there was at least one person in the safety of a sound booth or something that had access to a microphone or some way to tell everybody to run. It was oddly quiet during the whole time the shooting was going on.
 
Danger_Ranger said:
This is true. But you would think that there was at least one person in the safety of a sound booth or something that had access to a microphone or some way to tell everybody to run. It was oddly quiet during the whole time the shooting was going on.
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Shots were supposedly ringing off the rigging and road cases. I'd say everyone just bolted at that moment.
 
Don't forget (a lot of people have in the past few days)....when you rent that hotel room, it is your property, and is your "home" for that period, and as such, all fourth amendment rights apply.... can't believe number of people saying that they ought to search bags, rooms, etc as a routine measure.

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Danger_Ranger said:
This is true. But you would think that there was at least one person in the safety of a sound booth or something that had access to a microphone or some way to tell everybody to run. It was oddly quiet during the whole time the shooting was going on.
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As a potential victim you'd hope so. Until very recently, I always thought I'd be 'that guy' that would 'save' everyone in a situation like that, didn't give a rats ass if I lived or died, I was right with God. Now with a wife and kid to go home to, I'm more concerned with getting home to them. The couple hypothetical seconds warning everyone could be what I needed to be safe.
 
The warning the crowd is a very big conundrum. Could end up lible for trampling injuries. Even higher risk since you are going to be unsure where the shots are coming from and how long it's going to last
 
In regards to warning the crowd, we have hindsight of what happened. Noone there had hindsight or even reason to expect this. Imagine yourself in that scenario: loud music, screaming people, clapping, ricer cars and big v8's in the distance, damn kids lighting M80's at a concert, drunk people falling down, wait, is that blood?

And that's if you're in proximity to actually see people who've been shot. I don't know where the audio/soundboard/etc people were, but I imagine they only had limited perspective. Plus, this is kinda a first time for an attack of this style. First they thought fireworks, then maybe an isolated gang or domesticed incident that spilled over, then by the time clarity came, it was already too late. I'm sure it would be different if an attack like this had happened before. On 9/11, nobody on those planes thought they would be flown into a building, except maybe the guys in Pennsylvania. Now, if dirkajihady tries to take over your plane, you don't think "I wonder what he wants? Where we will land to argue about ransom?"
 
.Well we won't have to worry about as many stories circulating about second shooters etc. YouTube has stepped up to the plate and created a filtering algorithm that will only bring up what they deem to be "authoritative" stories. Per the article, the other videos won't be scrubbed they will just be harder to find. I'm not what I would consider a conspiracy theorist but for some reason youtube admitting to censoring search results is a bit bothersome. What is their basis for determining what is legit? YouTube is filtering out stories on the Las Vegas shooting – Here’s why
 
Jus Jim said:
.Well we won't have to worry about as many stories circulating about second shooters etc. YouTube has stepped up to the plate and created a filtering algorithm that will only bring up what they deem to be "authoritative" stories. Per the article, the other videos won't be scrubbed they will just be harder to find. I'm not what I would consider a conspiracy theorist but for some reason youtube admitting to censoring search results is a bit bothersome. What is their basis for determining what is legit? YouTube is filtering out stories on the Las Vegas shooting – Here’s why
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I question everything our gooberment and our media tell us, but im definitely not a tin foil hat conspiracist. This is really weird for them to censor like this. Makes you wonder if this might just maybe be a bigger plan. Im still in the wait and see boat though, could just be you tube trying to help....
 
Where are the piles of brass in the hotel pics? Estimated round count around 3k, there should be brass everywhere......
 
sgtbriangreen said:
Where are the piles of brass in the hotel pics? Estimated round count around 3k, there should be brass everywhere......
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I dunno. 3 boxes of 1000 rounds of .223 is pretty compact. It took the LEO's 72 minutes to get in there. If he shot for 10 minutes, then cleaned up for an hour...maybe that's why he brought the other woman with him.
 
Jus Jim said:
.Well we won't have to worry about as many stories circulating about second shooters etc. YouTube has stepped up to the plate and created a filtering algorithm that will only bring up what they deem to be "authoritative" stories. Per the article, the other videos won't be scrubbed they will just be harder to find. I'm not what I would consider a conspiracy theorist but for some reason youtube admitting to censoring search results is a bit bothersome. What is their basis for determining what is legit? YouTube is filtering out stories on the Las Vegas shooting – Here’s why
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So if:
YouTube policy allows for the company to take down accounts that receive more than three strikes agains the community standards policy
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the YouTube channel for the End Times Report took down all videos related to the Las Vegas shooting because they promoted second-shooter theories. “I hated to do it, but if I get any more strikes, my entire channel is going to be deleted,” said Jake Morphonios, owner of the channel.
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Then can we just flag all the MSM channels for not meeting the community standards?
 
benXJ said:
Dude took the guns and ammo up in bags, just like all the other bags that every other patron has. No alarms would be raised. Easy to conceal all of it, by anyone (if you believe the setup/another shooter angle)

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Judging by the size of the suite and the fact that most of his rooms were comped, I'd be willing to bet that he had a bellhop take up all his bags. Unless they were all military duffel bags, nobody would have been the wiser.
 
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