CasterTroy
Faster'N You
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- Mar 21, 2005
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- Wallburg
Stupid autoerect
Sticky tire talk.
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justjeepin86
Well-Known Member
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- Jul 9, 2005
- Location
- Winston-Salem, NC
Yeah, a 35-37 would be my flavor. But, who am I kidding, I'm doing good to have one set of tires
paradisePWoffrd
Recovering Project Junkie
- Joined
- Nov 5, 2005
- Location
- Newton, NC
Yup, BFG & Maxxis made short course tires, 35". They dont have very deep or open tread though. I believe that ProComp made some comp Xterrains years ago.
The 35, 46, & 54" Claws could be had in competition compound. Not sure how they compare with BFG/Maxxis/Interco.
Most of the rest are 37"+.
CasterTroy
Faster'N You
- Joined
- Mar 21, 2005
- Location
- Wallburg
Still? (my goggle-fu apparently was broken when I looked) I haven't seen anyone running claws on the trails in years
paradisePWoffrd
Recovering Project Junkie
- Joined
- Nov 5, 2005
- Location
- Newton, NC
Could. I havent heard much about claws since TTC & 54s were a big deal.
- Joined
- Mar 20, 2005
- Location
- Hendersonville, NC
They don't make it THAT far up the trails...
Loganwayne
#BTL
- Joined
- Feb 15, 2013
- Location
- Clyde, North Carolina
Razors a lot of the comps won't allow a 30" + tire
The catch is they are still heavy for a razor and cause a lot of stuff to wear and brake fast
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paradisePWoffrd
Recovering Project Junkie
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- Nov 5, 2005
- Location
- Newton, NC
I figured this as well. Reading Goforth's thread on FB about the 32s, looks like they arent really any heavier than Roctanes.
When my zuk was on 30" tires I looked at running SxS ones, but they werent any lighter than LTs and were more expensive. Tread depth was more on many of them though.
NCJeeplover
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- Jul 25, 2009
- Location
- Claremont, NC
Where was this from?
ol'Jeeps
Dirty Jeeps...Done Dirt Cheap!
- Joined
- Dec 5, 2006
- Location
- Hickory, NC
Reminds me of a quote I heard at Harlan...
"..yea we both made it up that... But how much did it cost you?"
Mac5005
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- Joined
- Oct 19, 2005
- Location
- Rocky Mount
Reminds me of a quote I heard at Harlan...
"..yea we both made it up that... But how much did it cost you?"
Hahahah yep each obstacle costs everyone a different price.
I paid $1200 for my 42" sx2s in 2008. Sold them for $1000 in 2017.
Paid $2100 for red labels in 2017. I'll take it. Worth every penny and muddy crawlspace it took to get them haha.
ol'Jeeps
Dirty Jeeps...Done Dirt Cheap!
- Joined
- Dec 5, 2006
- Location
- Hickory, NC
Im still scrapin 'n grabin for every inch of mud and rock with my non stickies!
Mac5005
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- Oct 19, 2005
- Location
- Rocky Mount
A full talent tank makes up for cheater tires. Those that drive by Braille need all the help we can get lol
ol'Jeeps
Dirty Jeeps...Done Dirt Cheap!
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- Hickory, NC
Mac5005
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- Oct 19, 2005
- Location
- Rocky Mount
Just to update this thread and give it some closure.
We purchased a set of 43” sx’s from goforth Tire. Scott was easy to work with and had them to us in under a week.
His distributor has warehouses in hickory, raleigh, and greenville, Nc. Luckily we were working in greenville that week, and he was able to ship them for free to the greenville warehouse through the distributor at no cost.
We paid $2760 for the set.
After getting them installed and taking the buggy to Harlan for fall crawl, what a difference.
My dads buggy went awesome. He did middle rock garden, valve stem, grape vine, mason jar, lions den, little Jagger, cream puff, and then finally broke on pony hill. There are several other trails he ran that I’m forgetting.
He broke the axle shaft flange bolts on the rear sterling on pony hill. Sheared off all 8. Easy fix. We are thinking they loosened up over the weekend, as we had checked them when we installed the tires the week before. While fixing them, we found they were a little short, and replaced with 1/2” Long grade 8 flange Head bolts.
As far as his sx stickys, they were amazing. As others have said in this thread, the huge lugs grab traction is the craziest spots.
The extra clearance of the 43s was great over my 39” reds. A lot of spots we could run the same lines, a couple I would diff out and have to move slightly, when he could drive straight through.
I didn’t see any spots on rock where the sx’s give up any traction to the reds honestly.
I do think they work a tad better than trepadors. Having a group with reds treps and sx’s, it’s neat to see the differences on the same obstacles on the same day, but each rig is slightly different also.
If I felt I have the motor and drivetrain to hold up to the 43s, I’d sell my reds and get a set tomorrow.
For my jeep with a 4.7/ax-15/d300, the weight savings with the reds is much easier on the drivetrain and I feel like it wouldn’t hold up to the massive 43s.
In my dads buggy with the 502/t400/atlas with plenty of power and strength, the 43s are perfect. But I will say they are massive.
As far as the internet saying reds suck on the dirt, I think they are full of crap.
The only thing I have noticed is that they require more wheel speed to clean out in mud and dirt. That is it. On trails I have ran before, I could pull second gear with my sx’s to clean them out and claw up muddy dirt climbs. The same places with the red labels now require 3rd gear.
Due to the drastic weight reduction going to reds(380 lbs total) pulling 3rd gear on the climbs is just as easy as second gear was before.
Once you get them spinning, and clean out they work just as well if not better in the dirt and loose stuff.
I think they just get a bad rap for clogging up and not cleaning out when people are used to crawling and don’t spin them to clean them out. Swappers just clean out at a lower rpm.
As far as on rock, on hardcore obstacles, I used to use 3rd gear low range with my dot sx2s to get enough wheel speed and traction to make the obstacle. It felt like abuse to the jeep but it worked, and when it didn’t I knew it was time to pull cable.
Now with the reds, 1st and 2nd gear is all I use on the same obstacles. It’s amazing being. Able to actually crawl obstacles and the Tires hold a specific line you are shooting for.
When wheel speed is needed, 2nd gear is all it takes, and the reds go to work.
I keep my reds at 10-12 psi, which keeps the sidewalls alive, and keeps the same ground clearance and rolling radius as my dot 42s were at 4 psi.
I’ve heard the treps need 4-6 psi to work well, and I would lose ground clearance with the 40” treps over the 39” reds.
I don’t think anyone can go wrong with any of the big 3 stickies on the market today, reds treps or sx’s.
I think that if you are in the market for 42s/43s and that price range the swamper wins over the Trep.
If you are in the market for 39/40” Tire, I think the reds win due to price and weight.
If you have the drivetrain strength and power to wheel with the 43s, you won’t be disappointed with them lol.
We purchased a set of 43” sx’s from goforth Tire. Scott was easy to work with and had them to us in under a week.
His distributor has warehouses in hickory, raleigh, and greenville, Nc. Luckily we were working in greenville that week, and he was able to ship them for free to the greenville warehouse through the distributor at no cost.
We paid $2760 for the set.
After getting them installed and taking the buggy to Harlan for fall crawl, what a difference.
My dads buggy went awesome. He did middle rock garden, valve stem, grape vine, mason jar, lions den, little Jagger, cream puff, and then finally broke on pony hill. There are several other trails he ran that I’m forgetting.
He broke the axle shaft flange bolts on the rear sterling on pony hill. Sheared off all 8. Easy fix. We are thinking they loosened up over the weekend, as we had checked them when we installed the tires the week before. While fixing them, we found they were a little short, and replaced with 1/2” Long grade 8 flange Head bolts.
As far as his sx stickys, they were amazing. As others have said in this thread, the huge lugs grab traction is the craziest spots.
The extra clearance of the 43s was great over my 39” reds. A lot of spots we could run the same lines, a couple I would diff out and have to move slightly, when he could drive straight through.
I didn’t see any spots on rock where the sx’s give up any traction to the reds honestly.
I do think they work a tad better than trepadors. Having a group with reds treps and sx’s, it’s neat to see the differences on the same obstacles on the same day, but each rig is slightly different also.
If I felt I have the motor and drivetrain to hold up to the 43s, I’d sell my reds and get a set tomorrow.
For my jeep with a 4.7/ax-15/d300, the weight savings with the reds is much easier on the drivetrain and I feel like it wouldn’t hold up to the massive 43s.
In my dads buggy with the 502/t400/atlas with plenty of power and strength, the 43s are perfect. But I will say they are massive.
As far as the internet saying reds suck on the dirt, I think they are full of crap.
The only thing I have noticed is that they require more wheel speed to clean out in mud and dirt. That is it. On trails I have ran before, I could pull second gear with my sx’s to clean them out and claw up muddy dirt climbs. The same places with the red labels now require 3rd gear.
Due to the drastic weight reduction going to reds(380 lbs total) pulling 3rd gear on the climbs is just as easy as second gear was before.
Once you get them spinning, and clean out they work just as well if not better in the dirt and loose stuff.
I think they just get a bad rap for clogging up and not cleaning out when people are used to crawling and don’t spin them to clean them out. Swappers just clean out at a lower rpm.
As far as on rock, on hardcore obstacles, I used to use 3rd gear low range with my dot sx2s to get enough wheel speed and traction to make the obstacle. It felt like abuse to the jeep but it worked, and when it didn’t I knew it was time to pull cable.
Now with the reds, 1st and 2nd gear is all I use on the same obstacles. It’s amazing being. Able to actually crawl obstacles and the Tires hold a specific line you are shooting for.
When wheel speed is needed, 2nd gear is all it takes, and the reds go to work.
I keep my reds at 10-12 psi, which keeps the sidewalls alive, and keeps the same ground clearance and rolling radius as my dot 42s were at 4 psi.
I’ve heard the treps need 4-6 psi to work well, and I would lose ground clearance with the 40” treps over the 39” reds.
I don’t think anyone can go wrong with any of the big 3 stickies on the market today, reds treps or sx’s.
I think that if you are in the market for 42s/43s and that price range the swamper wins over the Trep.
If you are in the market for 39/40” Tire, I think the reds win due to price and weight.
If you have the drivetrain strength and power to wheel with the 43s, you won’t be disappointed with them lol.
Mac5005
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- Oct 19, 2005
- Location
- Rocky Mount
Mac5005
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- Joined
- Oct 19, 2005
- Location
- Rocky Mount
Mac5005
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- Joined
- Oct 19, 2005
- Location
- Rocky Mount
Yes it was. It was incredible to watch. That trip made all the late nights and dollars spent completely worth it. Seeing my dads face and hearing everyone cheer all weekend at his success on the trails gave me more enjoyment than any trail I have ever completed.
This rig smoked a lot of obstacles and he is finally getting used to driving it.
Mac5005
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- Joined
- Oct 19, 2005
- Location
- Rocky Mount
This was josh immediately after my dad.
First time I’ve seen a successful u turn on Jagger and not flop.
Instagram post by Cody Lainhart • Oct 30, 2017 at 1:35am UTC
And this was Allen going up after josh made his u turn lol. This was even more epic watch him put the beat down on it and getting this big girl up Jagger.
Instagram post by Cody Lainhart • Oct 26, 2017 at 1:13am UTC
I have video of both of these from the other angle, but Cody was in the primo spot. He was setting up when my dad @moldman05 drove up.
First time I’ve seen a successful u turn on Jagger and not flop.
Instagram post by Cody Lainhart • Oct 30, 2017 at 1:35am UTC
And this was Allen going up after josh made his u turn lol. This was even more epic watch him put the beat down on it and getting this big girl up Jagger.
Instagram post by Cody Lainhart • Oct 26, 2017 at 1:13am UTC
I have video of both of these from the other angle, but Cody was in the primo spot. He was setting up when my dad @moldman05 drove up.
karatejosh
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- Joined
- Apr 4, 2011
- Location
- raleigh
I would agree i was impressed with the grip on the tsls on this trip i think the reds work the best on dry rocks i was also impressed following bobby with his treps he made rocks with moss on them easy where i had to give it some juice with my reds they all work great lol
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ghost
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- Joined
- May 25, 2006
- Location
- Hartsville/Camden,SC
Maybe when I redo my rig I'll have to figure out how to get some stickeys. Thanks for sharing your experience.
XJfreakHO
Triad Trail Junkies
- Joined
- Aug 26, 2008
- Location
- Greensboro/Clemmons
A friend just bought 43 stickies... I'm pretty content with my dot 42's for now. mostly because I got a insane deal on them "used".
After a few trips watching the stickies we will see how I feel about opening my wallet lol
After a few trips watching the stickies we will see how I feel about opening my wallet lol