Daniel ?

GotLime?

GotLime?

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I heard a rumor that the ledges on Daniel have been deemed "impassable" and are going to be filled in with rock.

Is that correct? Can anyone confirm?
 
Yep. We have worked on Daniel the past two work days and will be tackling the ledges next month with full force. Really brings the suck since I love the ledges, but it has to be done.

It's not so much that they are "impassible" that's part of it. But the erosion is getting very bad. We are putting water breaks above the ledges to control water run off. By the time the water coming down the trail hits the ledges, it's going 60mph which really washes it out. On top of that, we have way too many jerks that can't make it over so they go around, regardless of our attempts of winching huge logs and piling debris in place of the bypasses. People came right behind us and moved them with their winch. Stupid people, you can thank them for the ugly guard rail that is now in place instead.

Lots of good info at the work days. You should come out and be a part of it, it will make you see the trails from a different view. I hate it as much as anyone else, but if we don't do it, Daniel will turn in to Kodack Rock and loose it all together.
 
It still seems to me that a Ranger sitting at the first ledge on a saturday would be so much more effective. They're not very good at stopping erosion, but for people going off trail.

I have been out to work days and I will be out there again. I just herad this and was hoping it wasn't true. Thanks for the intel.
 
GotLime? said:
It still seems to me that a Ranger sitting at the first ledge on a saturday would be so much more effective. They're not very good at stopping erosion, but for people going off trail.

I have been out to work days and I will be out there again. I just herad this and was hoping it wasn't true. Thanks for the intel.
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Happens every off season and by 3 months it is worse than before the "paving" is done.... As far as the ranger goes, we are working on that issue. I have made a written request for this and a DUI check point within the forrest....
 
Up to about 3 years ago every trail got paved during the off season but the contractor will not go up Daniel anymore so we have to start doing it ourselves. After a month or 2 you can not even tell it was done. Maybe more so this time because of the water bars in place now to stop the water. This next workday will be full on work on a few trails. Things have backfired on a few trails now and someone I have heard pulled a post for guard rail out on my trail.

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Not if we I can help it. And a bunch others on here.

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Daniel needs to be more difficult, not less difficult.
 
Yeah I wish we had more difficult trails but uwharrie is supposed to be a place where everyone can enjoy it. It was never intended to be anywhere near how Daniel and Dickey Bell are noe.
Like infamous1 said, all the hard Wheeling is gonna be in the private places.
 
Difficult and dickey bell don't go in the same subject.

Glad tellico is back up. Uwharrie is gonna be 90% gravel by the time Yall are done maintaning the trails.
 
Cory said:
Difficult and dickey bell don't go in the same subject.

Glad tellico is back up. Uwharrie is gonna be 90% gravel by the time Yall are done maintaning the trails.
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Isn't it a little misleading to call this new place "Tellico". Shouldn't it be called a "private version of Tellico on some land with simliar characterisitcs near the original Tellico"?

Back on topic. I live in Mooresville. Durhamtown Tellico, Coal Creek and Harlan are all 4 hours from me. URE is an hour and fifteen minutes. I can make a day trip or even an afternoon trip out to URE. 8 hours travel time to wheel is a looong day trip so none of these places are substitutes for me. They're for a weekend (or longer) trip.

IT would be nice if they could leave one or 2 trails at URE difficult. The OHV area is what, 1% of the land in the forest?
 
I'm in China grove so I agree
100% lime , Daniel has its own entrance so stock rigs don't have to do daneil. And shouldnt we.have different levels of trails.
 
By us fixing the ledges so we can get equipment up there is only going to help keep Daniel open. The ledges used to get paved before and 1 month later nobody even knew. If you do not think that Daniel is hard enough, then do what others do and put street tires back on your rigs and run it. I know a few friends of mine in buggies do that every year just to have fun.

This place was build for a place for families to come and have a good time and get out doors away from the city slickers. Granted back then if you had 4 inches of lift and 33 inch tires you were about as high as you could get. I set my rig up that way back in 88 and still wheel it that way to this day. And i might finally break down and put power steering in it this year maybe.

And i wish more of you doing the complaining ( that have never been to one ) would just take 8 hours of your life for the year and come out to a workday and ask the USFS why we have to do what we are doing. This next one is supposed to have the engineer or someone like that also out with us to explain the Daniel situation to us. So please come out and share your views / ideas / concerns with them in person. You might have a good idea that we / them have not thought of to save this trail.
 
krzyabncanuck said:
By us fixing the ledges so we can get equipment up there is only going to help keep Daniel open. The ledges used to get paved before and 1 month later nobody even knew. If you do not think that Daniel is hard enough, then do what others do and put street tires back on your rigs and run it. I know a few friends of mine in buggies do that every year just to have fun.

This place was build for a place for families to come and have a good time and get out doors away from the city slickers. Granted back then if you had 4 inches of lift and 33 inch tires you were about as high as you could get. I set my rig up that way back in 88 and still wheel it that way to this day. And i might finally break down and put power steering in it this year maybe.

And i wish more of you doing the complaining ( that have never been to one ) would just take 8 hours of your life for the year and come out to a workday and ask the USFS why we have to do what we are doing. This next one is supposed to have the engineer or someone like that also out with us to explain the Daniel situation to us. So please come out and share your views / ideas / concerns with them in person. You might have a good idea that we / them have not thought of to save this trail.
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krzy,

If you were referring to my comments, I'm not sure I'd call my wish a complaint. I have been to work days. And my experience was not good. We couldn't find Rangers or USFS employees to give direction or answer questions, people bickering, no work getting done etc. That left a very bad taste in my mouth. I just want to go out there and work. I'll give the work days another shot this year (and I'll bring some friends) since it appears things may have changed.

I'll admit I'm skeptical and perhaps have a negative outlook. WE are continually asked to do more and get less in return. This feels like a losing battle. I'm normally a pretty positive guy. I want to believe things are going to change (or even stabilize) but I have seen no evidence to support that.

Example, we spend time and money to put up barricades to block bypasses, instead of just having a Ranger out there handing out tickets. A few tickets, word spreads, behavior changes. If the ones breaking the rules know there is no way they are going to get caught and no repurcussions for their actions there's no way their behavior is going to change.
 
Why can't equipment be brought up the back side ?

And to work day comment I've tried for two years to ask for a work day on Sunday and have been ignored , a lot of us work 6 days a week all year.

I planned to come out this year as we talked about in convo. But injuries delay that for now.

And I feel the same as gotlime the more we do the more they take. Daniel having ledges does not prevent families from coming out to camp. Yalls logic is ridiculous.
 
Cory said:
Why can't equipment be brought up the back side ?

And to work day comment I've tried for two years to ask for a work day on Sunday and have been ignored , a lot of us work 6 days a week all year.

I planned to come out this year as we talked about in convo. But injuries delay that for now.

And I feel the same as gotlime the more we do the more they take. Daniel having ledges does not prevent families from coming out to camp. Yalls logic is ridiculous.
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Workdays can be done any day you would like. I have not seen the request, i will be more than happy to help make a sunday workday happy. Tell me when you would like to do it..
 
@Cory They are not taking the ledges at all. They are simply going to back fill them some as the have always done, nothing any different than in years past. As far why can't eqipment come up the back side, when was the last time you where out there? The first ledge would possibly be doable in a exavator but the second has washed out one side so much that my 39" tires still allow the tube on my axle to diff out. This makes it impassable with equipment.
 
Cory said:
I guess its front side I'm thinking about.
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a slow moving piece of equipment would take 2 hours or so each way to come in from that way. Believe me we have looked at every angle for the safety of the people on the eqipment
 
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@Cory They are not taking the ledges at all. They are simply going to back fill them some as the have always done, nothing any different than in years past. As far why can't eqipment come up the back side, when was the last time you where out there? The first ledge would possibly be doable in a exavator but the second has washed out one side so much that my 39" tires still allow the tube on my axle to diff out. This makes it impassable with equipment.
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I garawn-dam-tee i can get my excavator up daniel. :flipoff2:

I take that back...i promise i can get someone elses excavator up daniel. :D
 
URE is a national forest. It isn't a four wheeling park. Hate to say it like that, but it is the truth. I am very thankful that we have it and will do whatever it takes to keep it open. It will all become gravel road or shut down entirely if we don't keep it up. That I can guarantee.

If you want to complain about it, ride somewhere else. As for me, it is about 1 hour away. I doubt I'll get time to ride anywhere else this year. If URE weren't around, what would a majority of us do? Sit here and moan.

Thank you Snappy for coordinating our efforts. I think that the past year has been great in the direction the work days are going. Definitely not like it was.

On another note, I'd love to see a ranger out there and DUI checkpoints! Heck, I'd volunteer to have a ranger ride with me. Only if I get to have a bubble gum light on the roof and chase down the offenders though!
 
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