Tilt vs Ramps

Discussion in 'Tow Rigs and Trailers' started by Croatan_Kid, Aug 9, 2017.

  1. shawn

    shawn running dog lackey of the oppressor class Administrator

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    I'm honestly curious to know if they'll sell you a trailer without tires, and how much they'll knock off the price.

    I think they charge about $175 for a spare, so it might amount to real money.
     
  2. YotaOnRocks

    YotaOnRocks Well-Known Member

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    Our dump trailer did come with a tire warranty. When one would blow we would have it replaced with a good radial and send in the paperwork to the warranty company and they reimbursed us for the expense. Obviously it is still a pain when you blow out a tire but there weren't any questions asked.
     
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  3. Croatan_Kid

    Croatan_Kid How's your hammer hangin'?

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    What's wrong with the tires that come on them? Asides from your dump trailer blowouts, what's the issue? Did the dump come with radials or bias?

    @shawn Also, why would I buy Sailuns? If I bought a trailer tire, I'd probably get a Maxxis. I'm really surprised you didn't say to throw some LTs on it...which is probably more likely to happen anyway.

    Honestly, they might would sell me one without tires on it. I carry my cordless impact in my truck anyway, so it wouldn't take long to swap them. They do offer several tire options now though, so I'm not sure it'd be worth the hassle of bringing my own.
     
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  4. shawn

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    Sailuns are good for 4400# each on a 16" wheel, all steel carcass. I got tired of popping LT tires.
     
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  5. BigSouth

    BigSouth Doesn't play well with others!

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    I'll throw my $.02 in. We've had several Kaufman trailers in the family over the years and never had any major disappointments. My Dad has the most recent, bought in 2012. It's god awful heavy! The ramps shake, rattle, and annoy the crap out of you at all times. I had been borrowing it for the last few months while my PJ was on order. What kills me is that upon close inspection, the trailer is rated for 15K, but only has 2-7K axles, and the tires are only good for about 12K. That's the way they sold the thing to my Dad. He had no idea until I pointed it out. I'm on my second PJ now and I'm sold for life. Both trailers ride smoother and quieter than any I've ever pulled. Yes, they are expensive, but I drug my 18' buggy hauler to Moab and back floating like a Cadillac. The guys at East Coast Trailer showed me Kaufman's in their shop being repaired. The only reason I sold my 18' was to upgrade to a 34'. Also, in my opinion, stay away from the 17.5" rims. 16" tires are very easy to find in all 50 states if you have to find one in a pinch.
     
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  6. YotaOnRocks

    YotaOnRocks Well-Known Member

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    Very crappy cheap Chinese bias ply tires. They were always checked for proper psi before it was hauled.
     
  7. Croatan_Kid

    Croatan_Kid How's your hammer hangin'?

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    Ahh, well that makes sense. I hate a bias ply trailer tire. They always wear both shoulders and leave full tread down the middle! These do at least come with radials on them.

    They offer a Load G tire as an option and I may just have to take them up on that. Upon looking at a 235/85r16 LT (load E) vs an ST (load G), I saw that most of the LTs were 40-41 lbs, but the STs were 60-61 lbs. Probably not a fair comparison, but there's obviously a LOT more rubber and steel in that load G trailer tire.

    Any commercial tire store/shop would have 17.5s...they're fairly common, but I don't need that much capacity nor do I feel like forking up the extra dough to upgrade, so I'll be sticking with the 16s anyway. I don't travel the country with my trailer very often either :D
     
  8. Croatan_Kid

    Croatan_Kid How's your hammer hangin'?

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    Also @shawn I read in a handful of places that some guys swear by Double Coins :lol: I'd definitely run a Sailun before those!

    Disclaimer: a good buddy worked for Colony for 6 years. I've seen a LOT of shitty, Chinese made tires while hanging out with him at work. Ling Long, Double Coin, Double Happiness....basically anything that sounds like a bad Google translation.
     
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  9. shawn

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    It's still going to be a Ling Long. ;)
     
  10. Croatan_Kid

    Croatan_Kid How's your hammer hangin'?

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    I'd definitely ask before accepting it.
     
  11. Croatan_Kid

    Croatan_Kid How's your hammer hangin'?

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    So, I could totally swing this setup:

    4100# weight rating on the rims is as good as I could find.
    Taskmaster Steel Modular Trailer Wheel - 16" x 6" Rim - 8 on 6-1/2 - Silver Taskmaster Tires and Wheels TTW660865SM3

    $127.93 - Sailun S637T - tires | Buy Sailun S637T tires at SimpleTire

    220 bucks for 4 rims, free shipping.
    513 for 4 tires, they're 10% off which puts me at 462, free shipping also.
    So, 4 tires and rims would set me back 682 bucks. That's not too bad.

    Or, a full set plus a spare would be 850. Also, not terrible. I'm going to call them tomorrow and see if they'll give me the tire/rim specs, if they'll sell me one without tires/rims (and take off a fistful of benjamins from the price), and if they've got one being built and can take a deposit.
     
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  12. Croatan_Kid

    Croatan_Kid How's your hammer hangin'?

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    @shawn

    Just got off the phone with Kaufman:
    - Rims never change, they're all rated at 3750 lbs.
    - Tires are some off brand I've never heard of regardless of load rating E or G.
    - They'll sell me a trailer and let me supply my own tires and rims and give me 350 bucks credit. Add the 340 to that for the Load G upgrade option and that leaves me 700 bucks to supply 4 tires and rims. So, for basically the same price, I can supply my own tires and rims of better quality and load rating. Sounds like an easy decision to me!
     
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  13. YotaOnRocks

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    I doubt you will have a problem but make sure the bottom of the trailer is painted. Guy I know picked one up and didn't realize it until a couple weeks later when he was adding a few things to the trailer. They took care of it no problem and were very apologetic but that's a long haul for you too make to get something like that fixed.
     
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  14. Croatan_Kid

    Croatan_Kid How's your hammer hangin'?

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    So, for shits and giggles, I've been scouring Craigslist and Facebook marketplace for a decent, used, trailer. Not sure if yall know it or not, but the used trailer market is bull shit! I found two very nice 20 footers, one was even close to where I live, but these guys wanted 4000 bucks for them. I could only jew them down to 3800.

    I can have a brand new, 24 foot trailer built for just under 5000. So, after looking around, I can't see a good reason to not just buy a new one.
     
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  15. BigSouth

    BigSouth Doesn't play well with others!

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    It's easy! Just add to cart.
     
  16. anvilrubi

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    Purchased two 18 tag along equipment trailers at work identical trailers same price one had Kaufman stickers the other pro line.
     
  17. Clubbs

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    I'd go ramps and dovetail. Everthing you own could probably climb up my deck over dove tail without any ramps anyway. I drag mine every once in awhile but not like it does anything but make noise and bend the license plate. Nice to have a deck that doesn't move and flex going down the road. Now if you could get a full tilt with sliding axles that would be different. But so far loading has been great with the ramps and dove, if something gets light in the front I put the winch to it and drag it up.

    Tires are a get what you pay for thing.

    Used trailer pricing is nuts, but I'll sell you my 30' 10 ton Texas Bragg goose for $12k and then go buy a new 30' 12 ton PJ. Let me know when I can drop it off :D
     
  18. Croatan_Kid

    Croatan_Kid How's your hammer hangin'?

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    I had pretty well decided on ramps. Just waiting until the right time to put a deposit down on a new one.
     
  19. fuzzy

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    I love my Kaufman tilt. Had diesel f250 on it no issues. Only thing is that I kinda don't like is the placement of the axles. So far forward it bounces the rear when empty. Newer ones also have westlake tires and they are pretty good. E rated
     

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  20. Croatan_Kid

    Croatan_Kid How's your hammer hangin'?

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    Digging this back up...

    Now that I've nailed down what type of trailer I want, I can't decide what length I want. It's not as much of a big deal, but aside from weight, is there any reason I should stay closer to 24 and not just go with a 28 footer?

    24' is minimum. The tractor is like 22.5' from the front of the bucket to the back of the bush hog. I figured a little extra length never hurts :D
     
  21. BigSouth

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    34’ Go BIG or go home!
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  22. paradisePWoffrd

    paradisePWoffrd Recovering Project Junkie

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    I've thought about a similar question.

    I'm looking to get a new trailer, that will be my primary. Something 24-32ft. I just wonder if something 28-32' will seem like too much trailer to pull with just 1 vehicle, etc.
     
  23. rockcity

    rockcity everyday is a chance to get better

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    Hmm. I've thought about the same thing.

    With 2 rigs, my 24' gets small real quick.


    If you decide on a 24' and want to save a few $, I'd consider letting mine go. :D
     
  24. Croatan_Kid

    Croatan_Kid How's your hammer hangin'?

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    If I wasn't so picky about what I want, I'd probably have a trailer already. Well, that and with the ridiculous price of used trailers...I might as well have one built and not worry about somebody else's used shit!

    I've nailed down that I want:
    Gooseneck
    Equipment trailer
    8k axles with 17.5" tires
    No dovetail
    5' spring assist ramp
    24-28 ft long

    I can't imagine that I'd ever need to haul two rigs and if I did, I'm not even sure 28' would be long enough. Although, I could make ramps up the neck if I had to. There IS such a thing as too much trailer and I'm pretty sure a 34 footer would be too much :D
     
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  25. BigSouth

    BigSouth Doesn't play well with others!

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    My plan consists of putting one of those hard sided pop up campers on the front half of mine. My 34’ trailer put me right at the 60’ overall limit. Rather have it and not need it than the alternative.
     
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